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what are some advantages of using an ATW pattern vs a standard 1 or 2 piece job? are there any disadvantages??
JayPro,
Are you going to answer this posting yourself with the reply you got from the GSS forum ? ;)
kwick
By the way, I see you created a nice little GSS posting just to thank Tim and David for helping you finish your first ATW - Very sweet. Can I assume the help I gave was so bad you couldn't even get started and you had to call the Pro's in :p
no Kwick I am not going to answer it myself lol...secondly, i appreciate your help, but you and JayCee, both of you sometimes make things sound so damn confusing that my head almost spins off. David was vert clear and to the point. so it wasnt lack of trying, it was lack of being clear. Thanks for your help, and i still have the email you sent me printed out. maybe now it'll make more sense after i have done an atw. bye!
JayPro, Good feedback. Now I can adjust accordingly to become more clear. What is it they say, know your audience ;)
Ciao,
kwick
PS - I can't wait for Jay Cee's reply.....
i'm sure he's read this thread more than a few times and as we speak, is scheming up the perfect reply to me. haha
Are you going to answer this posting yourself with the reply you got from the GSS forum ?
Uh, for those like me who aren't in the know, what/where is the GSS Forum? A google brought up way too many possibilities ...
Cheers,
Eric
Hi Eric, look here: www.grandslamstringers.com (http://www.grandslamstringers.com)
Hi y'all,
I'm sorry JB, no smart answers for you, but you are right about one thing, I have been following all this on both GSS and here and must admit that I have similar feelings to Kwick, who by the way gave a far better explantation, plus a fantastic diagram, on how to do an ATW. In fact the version from Kwick is an absolutely accurate reproduction of the classic ATW, his comments are pertinent and I agree with him entirely. :)
As for David's slightly simplified explanation on GSS, and well backed up by Tim, I have no negative remarks to make, other than being surprised that an ATW could be so easily explained, and understood by a layman stringer, because even for a pro-stringer, David gives more of an overall view of the concept than a real explanation. That is perhaps what helps to clarify the method. :cool:
Just one observation, the real reason for an ATW is to be able to string from T to B on a frame where the mains finish in the throat. This was the answer to one of you questions. It therefore means that it has no ambition to stabilise the tension loss or equalise the stress around the frame. Don't forget that the Tour Pro Stringers string racquets essentially for the Tour Pros, who only keep the string in a racquet for a couple of hours at the most, what the Pros need is absolute consistency in the way that the racquet is strung, day in day out, everything is relative to their usual way of stringing, when they ask for half a pound more in the crosses, then they can feel the difference. The criteria for stringing racquets for the regular customer base in a shop or a club is not comparable to the needs of a Pro Tour Player. The stringing method should be the most appropriate for the players that you are stringing for. ;)
The ATW is a lot of unecessary complications for limited advantages. What amazes me is that you had no difficulties in following David's explanations on how to do an ATW, where as only about 6 weeks ago you didn't have a clue about stringing. It seems to me that the hours that I spent trying to explain, even the most elementary operations in painstaking details, have managed to give you a solid basis to be able to undertake more complicated methods. That in itself is an enormous satisfaction that our help to you has not been wasted. You have thanked us on many occasions, so I will not insist. ;)
Never the less, without the additional information provided in Kwick's postings on the ATW, I am surprised that with David's short (but clear) desciption, that you were crowned with success after your first try. This does show me that long and detailed step by step explanations, may well be a more confusing approach to the problem.
If anyone else would like to comment, I would appreciate the feedback. :o
Bye.
:cool:
Hey Jay Cee whats up buddy? I appreciate all the feedback that i got from everyone, and like i said, David's explanation was just clear, thats all. I still have the email kwick sent me so it wasnt a wasted effort on him. Can you believe it Jay Cee? 6 weeks, and already i am doing an atw pattern? haha. I have learned so so much in this time, but like you said earlier, i learn something new everytime i string a stick. i have come a long way i suppose but still have so much to learn. I still dont think i understand the concept of pulling strictly from the head like Joe describes. the only way i can do it is if i pull 2 strings at once, and i know that isnt good...any input from kwick or Jay Cee? thanks again guys....Jay Cee remember....if it wasnt for that incredibly arrogant and snyde posting you made a few weeks ago, i may not have been the stringer i am today hahahahaha
have 1 on me mate
JayPro,
You're right, the only way you can pull strictly from the head is to pull 2 strings together. The stringing guide clearly :p states that there are drawbacks to this and proposes ways to alleviate those problems. The reasons to do it are purely because it's easier and quicker and you don't have the racquet handle to worry about. The method works but if you are striving for perfection, pull one main string at a time from both ends :cool:
Ciao,
kwick
Come on JB, that was one of my most enjoyable postings, I had a ball writing it, how can you be so nasty? Maybe you misunderstood my "acute sense of irony". :D :D
What the hell, I'll drink to that anyway.
Thanks for the beer mate.
By the way, I am impressed with the progress that you have made, and I am very pleased to have contributed, I already said that I believed in you, I would not heve been happy if you had bombed out after all that work. Go for it mate, the combination of a good stringer and a good beer drinker are definitely recommendable in this profession.
Later.
:cool:
By the way JayPro,
I don't actually 100% agree with some of the advice you received from the GSS forum regarding where to start your crosses for an ATW pattern on a frame with and even number of crosses. Tim even preferred to advise that there are many ATW pattern variations which is true.
The advice you received works but is not a classic ATW pattern because you tie off the main on the short side. Instead, my follow up posting on "ATW: for ncode tour 90" explains the classic ATW pattern for an even number of crosses.
cheers,
kwick
thanks kwick, I'll check that posting out. I have 1 of my own sticks to string tonight (Liquid Metal Prestige) so i'll try it out on that 1. those arent the easiest sticks to string by any means no matter what pattern you're using. my favorite string ever is Babolat X cel but it takes too damn long to string my racquets with it, so i use Gamma TNT. anyway, have a good 1. Ill keep you posted on my progress with your method. thanks again
hey JayCee, thanks for sticking with me and believeing in me after all of those ridiculous postings i made in the beginning haha. I am sincere when i say thank you for the help. I still have alot to learn of course but i think i am on the right track. thank you again.
You're welcome JB, it was not always a pleasure but the end jusifies the means. :)
Any news from Veri ? It was nice having her around for a few days, you should try to get her to come back and make a couple of postings, it will increase the frequency of the visits from all those horny stringers who only check out the forum from time to time. :p
Bye.
:cool:
I hope you followed DF's suggestion and put aside a couple of plastic bags for me for Xmas. :D :D
I think you chased her away for good you horny bastard! It was good having her around while it lasted though ha? dont worry JayCee, I have a few plastic bags set aside for you and DF for xmas :)
Hey Jaypro,
Maybe you can attract Veri back with the royalties from your new book :
Around the World in less than 80 days... :D :D
I'm writing a stringing documentary to be titled "Boxing Jason" :p :p
JayCee is in line to play the lead role and chop one of your limbs off every time you make a mistake.
Hey Kwick,
You're a genius my friend, a real f***ing genius. I bow deeply and humbly before your wit. Excellent my friend. :D :D :D
that was good kwick, very good good. so now that we know who the charming and witty 1 is, even if Veri did come back i think we know who she'd pick. haha
Hey JayCee,
I was thinking of joining a club to work out a bit and improve my tennis technique. I found a place on the web but the picture of the Pro scared the hell out of me - Check it out....
http://worldgymnorwich.com/tennis.html
Shit Kwick,
You really are smart, at least he doesn't have a ring in his nose. (Hi JB :D )
Good thinking Batman, now we know where he hangs out, and what he looks like, unfortunately the page has not been updated to include his qualities as a stringer, I'm sure that this will follow soon. Hey Jason, include the ATW as part of your offer, those who understand will be very impressed, ATW in less than 80 days (thanks again Kwick), it still freaks me out, really :cool:
He keeps good company as well. They do look like a friendly bunch of guys, bet they're all good beer drinkers as well. :p
I owe you a real big one.
:cool:
ouch! wow he is a scary lookin dude isnt he??
getting a bit personal ha kwick? haha...ok, #1 i quit there last week, and #2 even after i said that veri would pick you over me and JayCee you still do that to me? wow
I don't think anyone is being malicious with you Jay. It just seems like some friendly jabbing at best. :) Keep your chin up!
Dan
trust me Dan, i think i know these 2 or Jay Cee anyway, well enough to know when its malicious and when its kidding. If anyone deserves some kidding recently, its me i guess. Jay Cee and i share jabs at each other, it keeps the forum fun for everyone. I respect him as a stringer, whether or not it is reciprocated i am not yet sure. I think he may be off his plastic bag theme (lets hope) but thanks for having my back Dan!
I'll drink to that JB, but give me a little more time to respect you as a stringer. I've been doing it for more years than I care to remember, and yet some wise guy from Connecticut asked me for my credentials and I am still trying to get over it. :D :D :D
If one day I pay you a real compliment as a stringer, it would have to be over a beer or 2 or maybe even 10 or more. . . . :p
I can wait a while.
:cool:
for now, I'll be happy with you being impressed with my progress :)
That's fair enough, and I am impressed.
:cool:
David Pavlich
2004-12-21, 03:13
Well, I'm almost embarassed. Maybe I missed my calling...I should have become a teacher. ;)
Thanks for the kind words.
David
They dont go unappreciated David ;)
Tim Strawn
2005-01-21, 23:06
ATW vs. standard patterns is definitely a can of worms to be admired. If you want to raise the eyebrows within the circles of the stringing world just pop on a site and explain the real reasons why an ATW pattern is superior or visa versa. You're liable to get your gonads whacked off and I don't mean that in a nice way :eek:
There is no directive from anyone for any given pattern that I have seen. The only exception I'm aware of is from Yonex and even those in the "know" in Japan never follow this as Yonex requests. This debate makes for interesting discussion but you're stabbing in the dark when seeking for the Holy Grail with this one.
Maxx
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