So what's the big deal about the PT57A?

[Matt H.]

I got a pair of them last week and finally was able to try it out last night.

I get the feel part. Yeah, the ball pockets a little bit. Slice backhand and volleys feel decent due to this characterisitc. Other than that, i felt like I lost a solid 10mph on my serve and ground strokes. Good technique and putting my entire body into the shot still netted me with a lower powered shot compared to my usual retail prestige pro.

specs on the frame were 365g, 31.5cm balance, and strung with lux alu power at 44lbs (20kilos for the metric folks)

[gulbisbighitter18]

Originally Posted by Matt H.

I got a pair of them last week and finally was able to try it out last night.

I get the feel part. Yeah, the ball pockets a little bit. Slice backhand and volleys feel decent due to this characterisitc. Other than that, i felt like I lost a solid 10mph on my serve and ground strokes. Good technique and putting my entire body into the shot still netted me with a lower powered shot compared to my usual retail prestige pro.

specs on the frame were 365g, 31.5cm balance, and strung with lux alu power at 44lbs (20kilos for the metric folks)

There is no big deal at all, nothing spectacular with this frame, I said this before it's more a myth from TW kids that makes this racquet better than it is, it's so overrated.

Now if you probably feel like the worst deal ever, if you want a racket similar the URD Ti 80 or RDiS 200 will give you the same soft feel, only thing different is the power level of them.

Nonetheless look at the VCore Tour reviews, which are also better than pt57A.

You're not the first one that felt nothing about it but regret, I felt it with the 280 or whatever name there was, being honest Yonex RD-7 is better than 57's in everything it does.

[KBT1]

Originally Posted by gulbisbighitter18

There is no big deal at all, nothing spectacular with this frame, I said this before it's more a myth from TW kids that makes this racquet better than it is, it's so overrated.

Now if you probably feel like the worst deal ever, if you want a racket similar the URD Ti 80 or RDiS 200 will give you the same soft feel, only thing different is the power level of them.

Nonetheless look at the VCore Tour reviews, which are also better than pt57A.

You're not the first one that felt nothing about it but regret, I felt it with the 280 or whatever name there was, being honest Yonex RD-7 is better than 57's in everything it does.

To the highlighted -- is there a "worse" review for the PT57A?

Anyway, the racket is special in a special way: softness, yet power, control (blend of the two), vibrations...

It all falls apart if you cannot handle it (or have lack of technique).

If you bring the VCore to 365g, it will also probably be sluggish if you cannot develop the head speed.

BTW, another advantage of the Pro Stock is room to customize. It is definitely different from the PT630/280, and your comment above shows the lack of knowledge...

Every time someone mentions Head, you keep pushing Yonex. I tried a few of Yonex rackets and to me, they were a total crap. So, it also depends on a presonal preference...

[gulbisbighitter18]

Originally Posted by KBT1

To the highlighted -- is there a "worse" review for the PT57A?

Anyway, the racket is special in a special way: softness, yet power, control (blend of the two), vibrations...

It all falls apart if you cannot handle it (or have lack of technique).

If you bring the VCore to 365g, it will also probably be sluggish if you cannot develop the head speed.

5-BTW, another advantage of the Pro Stock is room to customize. It is definitely different from the PT630/280, and your comment above shows the lack of knowledge...

6-Every time someone mentions Head, you keep pushing Yonex. I tried a few of Yonex rackets and to me, they were a total crap. So, it also depends on a presonal preference...

1- Yes, a review of itself (AKA= review of a PT57A)

2- The racket has nothing that others don't have, C-10 Pro, DNX 10 mid, RDiS 200, URD Ti 80, some Dunlops, Fischer(most of) ...are all as soft as PT is, funny thing you mention vibrations, I didn't notice much vibrations on the sweet spot of the PT, however the racket is almost dead all the way around or outside its small sweet spot.

3-Why would I want to bring it to 365g or more if it performs just like a heavy weight with less weight? That's an advantage I found, many others did find it as well.

4- I can handle that, in fact I was hitting last weekend with 14.5 oz wood racket, doing drills to strengthen and make my back hand better.

5- I don't see any advantage in substituting lead for graphite, I'm not an expert in materials, but it doesn't take an intelligent person to notice that graphite is more expensive than cheapo lead, I'm not exchanging graphite for lead, with Yonex I almost never need lead, such as already good feel and stability and power level. So I actually know what I'm talking about, do you understand about it?

6- Some people like crap, some like good stuff, some people like GM, some like Toyota, some people like choice, some people like prime, as you say it's only personal preference, but one can't know what a great steak tastes like if He only eats cheap steak, once used to low quality one can't know what's better since his standard is low quality. You can't expect someone who likes rap to appreciate a symphony, I think you get it now.

Anyway, good debating with you again Mr. Kennelbach

[Matt H.]

i've logged many hours on court with various pro staffs (6.0's, 6.1's, tour 90, hypercarbons), prestiges (microgel thru current), and 200g's (muscle weave, hotmelt, and aerogel). Sprinkle in a babolat pure drive and wilson hps 5.0 demo, and i'm capable of understanding the differences of the racquets.

the pt57a is without a doubt the lowest powered racquet of any racquet i've ever tried. So, logic dictates if i'm sacrifing power, i need something in exchange to make it worthwile. I'll try a vs gut hybrid to see if that does anything, but I'm not hopeful right now.

[KBT1]

Originally Posted by Matt H.

i've logged many hours on court with various pro staffs (6.0's, 6.1's, tour 90, hypercarbons), prestiges (microgel thru current), and 200g's (muscle weave, hotmelt, and aerogel). Sprinkle in a babolat pure drive and wilson hps 5.0 demo, and i'm capable of understanding the differences of the racquets.

the pt57a is without a doubt the lowest powered racquet of any racquet i've ever tried. So, logic dictates if i'm sacrifing power, i need something in exchange to make it worthwile. I'll try a vs gut hybrid to see if that does anything, but I'm not hopeful right now.

Correct, all of the rackets you mentioned are higher powered than the 57a.
Some of them are power rackets and am not sure why would you even list them in this context (pure drive for example).

This racket is made assuming you can create your own power, and that you need a super precision and control.

On the othe hand, I DEFINITELY did not fin it to be under powered. In fact, IMO, it feels like a decent power racket.

What strings you have in them?

[KBT1]

Originally Posted by gulbisbighitter18

1- Yes, a review of itself (AKA= review of a PT57A)

2- The racket has nothing that others don't have, C-10 Pro, DNX 10 mid, RDiS 200, URD Ti 80, some Dunlops, Fischer(most of) ...are all as soft as PT is, funny thing you mention vibrations, I didn't notice much vibrations on the sweet spot of the PT, however the racket is almost dead all the way around or outside its small sweet spot.

3-Why would I want to bring it to 365g or more if it performs just like a heavy weight with less weight? That's an advantage I found, many others did find it as well.

4- I can handle that, in fact I was hitting last weekend with 14.5 oz wood racket, doing drills to strengthen and make my back hand better.

5- I don't see any advantage in substituting lead for graphite, I'm not an expert in materials, but it doesn't take an intelligent person to notice that graphite is more expensive than cheapo lead, I'm not exchanging graphite for lead, with Yonex I almost never need lead, such as already good feel and stability and power level. So I actually know what I'm talking about, do you understand about it?

6- Some people like crap, some like good stuff, some people like GM, some like Toyota, some people like choice, some people like prime, as you say it's only personal preference, but one can't know what a great steak tastes like if He only eats cheap steak, once used to low quality one can't know what's better since his standard is low quality. You can't expect someone who likes rap to appreciate a symphony, I think you get it now.

Anyway, good debating with you again Mr. Kennelbach

To your #5 above:
- the balance/weight distribution is a key here. I could never get the retail stick strung at 340g, 4pt hl
- the weight. You can get these strung at the weight of unstrung retail.
- lead at specific positions has much more important role than graphite evenly distributed around th hoop. You can change the size of sweet spot and move it up/down with lead and still keep th racket at desired weight.
- having silicone filled handle TOTALLY changes the racket feel from the hollow retail feel. Having partially filled handle can change it even further, and again, without making the racket 370+g heavy

If you Ned more explanation, let me know.

I will read thebrest of you comments when I arive to Hong Kong Saturday evening. #5 just looked like it needed a quick attention

[gulbisbighitter18]

Originally Posted by KBT1

To your #5 above:
- the balance/weight distribution is a key here. I could never get the retail stick strung at 340g, 4pt hl
- the weight. You can get these strung at the weight of unstrung retail.
- lead at specific positions has much more important role than graphite evenly distributed around th hoop. You can change the size of sweet spot and move it up/down with lead and still keep th racket at desired weight.
- having silicone filled handle TOTALLY changes the racket feel from the hollow retail feel. Having partially filled handle can change it even further, and again, without making the racket 370+g heavy

If you Ned more explanation, let me know.

I will read thebrest of you comments when I arive to Hong Kong Saturday evening. #5 just looked like it needed a quick attention

Please tell me something I don't know, ?

[KBT1]

Originally Posted by gulbisbighitter18

Please tell me something I don't know, ?

So, you just wasted my time...
You clearly stated you did not see/understand the benefits of removing the graphite (weight) and using lead/silicone, now, you claim you are this cool expert, knowing the details I explained...

Make up your mind.